Intro: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Jenna Brown Show. I am Jenna Brown, psychic business strategist, wealth Energetics mentor and subconscious healing expert. The guide for women who are scaling to 6, 7, 8 figures in their business and who are done playing small with their power, their money, and their visibility, who have a deep inner belief that they get to have it all.
This is a space where strategy meets the subconscious where money becomes clean and where you learn how to expand your field of influence without burning yourself out or betraying yourself. Contrary to popular opinion, we talk about wealth, leadership, identity energetics, and what it takes to actually hold the type of money, the type of business and reality that you are calling in.
Clients cash, impact, desire. We talk about it all here. If you're ready to move beyond the hustle, beyond the proving and into overflow, that feels grounded, embodied, and [00:01:00] sustainable. You, my friends, are in the right place. Let's begin.
Jenna Brown: Hi everyone. Welcome back to the Jenna Brown Show. I'm so excited about our episode today because I have one of my favorites and also one of the OGs. If you go back to the very first season of the show, Jessica and I do a podcast together, and this is like the first time we met is on the podcast. So go back and listen.
I'm, I need to go back and listen and see what we say, but I have Jessica Cerato here with me. She is a beautiful friend, a beautiful mentor, a beautiful client, just absolutely obsessed with Jessica. Everything she does is literal gold. So say hi to everyone. Let us know who you are. Jess, for those of you who don't know her yet, which, how do you not know her yet?
Jessica Cerato: Hi. Oh my gosh. No, I wanna listen. Re-listen back to that podcast. Yay. And I wonder if I'd introduce myself any differently. I'm sure I did. So curious. I'm sure I did. So here's my introduction now. Yeah. So my name is Jessica [00:02:00] Cerato. I am a energetic strategist and a numerologist, and I really help people identify and embrace their core uniqueness and find their energetic advantage.
Jenna Brown: Absolutely she does. I always tell Jess that she's literally the best at what she does, and I can almost guarantee you that you introduce yourself differently back then, which has gotta be four years ago, I wanna say. Mm-hmm. That episode probably is because back then you were only going as a numerologist and you've really grown and developed over the last years of showing everyone your psychic edge and your energetic advantages that.
Yes, like you have numerology. You use numerology. It's like your back pocket thing that you use, but ultimately that's not the fullness of what you do. So can you riff on that for a minute of like you're saying, I help you find your energetic advantage essentially, but
Jessica Cerato: I think this is so interesting because I think this is what everyone can kind of bring into [00:03:00] their own body right now is we all have skills and talents.
And if we use me as an example, of course I'm a skilled numerologist numerology. It's modality, it's something I'm very talented at, but it is not my identity. It is not my energetic advantage because there are a lot of people that, uh, use numerology. Not as well as me, I would say, but it's possible.
So your energetic advantage is really your frequency coded within your yourselves that not only connect within you, but serve as a connection to other people and the environment around you. And so you can be doing nothing. You can simply be being you and you will still attract people and opportunities and experiences around you.
And I always love to use this example because, you know I am guilty but also love it so [00:04:00] much is when we're scrolling on social media and we end up like 47 videos deep watching something that it's not about what they are doing. I went 47 videos deep watching someone clean out a commercial deep freezer.
I was like, uh, yeah, that's like niche. That's dedication.
Jenna Brown: I love, I love a niche cleaning though. Like video,
Jessica Cerato: right?
Jenna Brown: Yeah.
Jessica Cerato: Okay. Okay. But after I watched that niche cleaning video, was I learning how to be a cleaner? No. Ready? I was watching and feeling someone's energetic. Field, and I think so many times we really focus on am I doing the right thing?
Am I saying the right thing? What can I do to have people understand me? And 9.9 9 9 9 9, 9 times out of 10, it has really nothing to [00:05:00] do with what you are doing or saying, but it's the frequency that people are attracted to. And, I can use this example of when you walk down the street, there are certain types of people that no matter where they are, I'm one of them.
I can be walking in some place I've never been to, and I get stopped and they say, Hey, excuse me, can you help me find this? Mm. Like a location. And I'm like, uh, okay. I don't live here. I, but it's this energy I feel for me, that comes out of like resourcefulness, helpfulness, openness, that people come to, to ask me for help, even if I do not have the skills to help them.
Right. It's not like I'm standing on the corner with a map saying, I know where to go. Ask me. It's more of my energy that is open I make contact with and say hello to everyone on the street. My kids are super, super embarrassed about that. But it's, it's, that's hilarious. Yeah. So think of the examples in your life where , it's not about what you are doing, it's [00:06:00] about, people stopping you and telling you something that you didn't ask for or, receiving messages and you're like, whoa.
Like where did that come from? It came from your energetic advantage. Yeah. And energetic advantage, again, I'm really sorry to tell you this. You can't work harder on your energetic advantage. Yeah. There is one way for it to shine, and that's through embodiment. You have to embody it.
Jenna Brown: That's so good.
I'm like cracking up Yes to all of that. And I'm laughing because I am like literally not that person at all, that people like I have resting bitch face, so I just walk around town and I feel like people are just like, is she a bitch? Is she nice? I can't tell. But then I was thinking about maybe my energetic advantage is people always comment on like my style or they're always just you're clearly like a big deal.
I feel like I literally give off fame energy and I'm just literally running around town like a chicken with its head cut off, but it's still this energy that people are like, whoa. She's like a big deal kind [00:07:00] of. And I, it had always been that. Now I'm used to it, but back in the day it was kind of weird 'cause I'd be like, what?
So that's interesting. That's
Jessica Cerato: fun. 'cause it's the in confidence embodied.
Jenna Brown: Yeah.
Jessica Cerato: Yeah.
Jenna Brown: Yeah. Or just resting bitch face. I feel like that's a nice way of saying that resting bitch face is confidence and embodied. Like Brandon oftentimes will be like, smile, like I was like, you can not, because I'll be like, why isn't she nice to me?
And he is honestly, like you give off energy that like you're not available for niceness. And I'm like, okay, so I have to work on that, but I am cracking up because I love that you're like, everyone is hi, you're, you seem so approachable. Can you help me? I'm like, I don't think anyone's ever told me.
I'm approachable before, but I love that, which is just goes to show. How we all have our own unique energetic advantages and how we might be trying to play by somebody else's. Like I'm clearly not the freezer guy. That's not the [00:08:00] energy. I mean, I'm assuming I haven't watched him, but like we don't hold the same coating as you do or as I do.
And I love this conversation because I think everyone listening one benefits from us because we're hilarious and we love each other and we're, I feel like we just flow always so good. So they're always gonna get so much if they listen to anything we do. But two, like if they get anything from this episode, I really want them to understand that this is the era of their like uniqueness.
Like their individuality. Like it's no longer we're just like following this path leader, but like you are really needing to step into your own leadership and shine. So can you riff on that for a little bit for us of like, why now? Like I know it's a one year. But what does that mean? Like why now do we really need to understand our own unique leadership codes?
Jessica Cerato: Yeah, because, so if we just think about the cycles. So we've just finished a cycle from 2017 to 2025, [00:09:00] and that cycle was really knowledge based Because if you think about this, what happened in those nine years is people were yearning, desperate for information and knowledge to help them feel fill in the blank.
Safe, secure. because there was so much unknown.
Jenna Brown: Yeah.
Jessica Cerato: They wanted known. And therefore it was very much like I said, knowledge based, information based. And you can see what happened in the world where information was released or not released. That's where the power went. Right? Mm-hmm. But because of that, out of that, this new era in technology where now knowledge and information is more readily available, like literally at your fingertips, not just in business, but in every day life, where sometimes without even putting it through our own wisdom [00:10:00] center.
We are just saying, well, the answer is here, so I'll go here. And so when something is more readily available, if you think about supply and demand and business or just in your system, if it's available, it doesn't feel as important anymore. You're not as desperate for it, right? I mean, you can use a silly example of like guarantee you, when you don't have a specific food in your house, you are desperate for it.
You want it 'cause it's not available. But as soon as you know there's something in your house available all the time, it's like less of a novelty, so we think about that with information. And so now 2026 is this one year, and this cycle runs all the way to 2034. And these next nine years are all about identity and identity, energy first, strategy second.
So who you are? Will inform what you do. And so what's happening is there are still [00:11:00] so many people sharing information giving frameworks, knowledge based teaching, and they might be excellent at what they do. I would say many of them are excellent, but they're interchangeable.
Jenna Brown: Mm-hmm.
Jessica Cerato: And that's the point, right?
Because people aren't caring who they get it from because you can get it from ai. So now these nine years are really about you, your identity, your frequency, and connecting with people through that. I would actually change the word because it's less about knowledge and it's more about wisdom.
And wisdom comes through our experience and that can't be replicated. And so it's really important for everyone here to do a few things to, yes, share your wisdom. But I hear someone listening, saying, but I share my wisdom all the time, and it's not landing. And I would say, well, is it embodied?
Could you tell the story without telling the story? [00:12:00] Just by showing up? Could people assume something about you? Which just makes me laugh because we just go back to that conversation of like you say nothing. Mm-hmm. And people feel this confidence, this, what would I say? In a good way.
Like just totally full of yourself. Like you are totally like Right. It's beautiful. It's true. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And so you don't have to tell anyone. I am confident. Yeah. I am confident because of this experience. Right. Just like I don't have to say. The reason I'm approachable and I talk to everyone on the street is because of my experience.
I worked for seven years on a cruise ship where this was a literal policy. When you get within 10 feet of anybody, you have to say hello, make eye contact and say something.
Jenna Brown: Definitely not, that's not the
Jessica Cerato: job. I loved it.
Jenna Brown: I mean,
Jessica Cerato: I was, it was so good camp
Jenna Brown: counselor, so like I feel like the kids, I can turn that on.
Of course, like I feel like how, you can turn on your [00:13:00] cruise ship. Like I feel like I turn, like Brandon will be like, the girls have a sleepover. They're like, you have to turn on camp counselor, Jenna. And I'm like, I can do it. And when I teach dance, it's like camp counselor Jenna comes out, but 90 to 9% of the time I'm like, I'm good.
Thank you.
Jessica Cerato: Yeah.
Jenna Brown: I love all of that and I've been saying that too, like similar thing of like knowledge is no longer the powerful thing in this space. It's truly wisdom. And you made a beautiful point, which is embodied wisdom, and this is like one of the, shifts I see for myself and maybe for other people listening as well, is this energetic that is required when you actually share embodied wisdom versus just like channel wisdom?
Because I'm a channel so I can like channel things, right? But embodied wisdom is my lived experience. It's not just something that I'm like, oh yes. Of course the frequency goes out of confidence, I literally have a post right now in my drafts and I'm like sitting on it because I'm like, Ooh, this is a little bit, close for home.
Even for [00:14:00] me, someone who does this all the time is I'm just like, wow, this is literally me revealing something about myself or me being in the process and I always forget how much. People love a leader who shares the process while they're in the process. Like not just , I had this really hard thing happen 12 months ago and this is how I got through it.
And then it kind of like breaks your trust a little bit with that person because you're like, the fuck, you were showing up every day like everything was perfect and now you're telling me that whole time you hated your life and your business and you were getting divorced and no one knew. And it shatters the trust a little bit. So one thing I really value is not that I have to share everything of all of my life, 'cause that's also not healthy, but there'll be things I feel called to share that are in the middle of the process. I'm like, this is not cute yet. There's no like bow that I've wrapped this in.
It's actually I'm in the middle of this and it's a little bit messy and I just feel like. For those of you listening, now more [00:15:00] than ever, I think is the time to do that. People are always telling me, Jenna, I wanna hear how you're making a decision, or why did you decide to do that versus this?
Right. And a lot of that is because Chacha BT can tell you , here's how you launch a program in 70 days. Here's our launch outline. But chat won't be able to pick up the nuance that a mentor would be able to say Hey, actually this is like the energetic is off.
Or even in yourself, like being honest with yourself of saying, is that actually what I want? But ultimately I feel that message is so strong for right now of this is a new era. I keep feeling it too. Do you feel this where it's yeah. I'm just like, oh, I didn't really realize that this thing I thought I was gonna be doing is actually kind of part of this old era.
And I think I'm done with it. And I think, I didn't think the one year would affect me as much. It's not in a bad way. It's just like in this, oh yeah. Like why would I be doing this whole knowledge based thing because I'm not in that [00:16:00] era anymore.
Jessica Cerato: Yeah. And I think the interesting thing is what I'm hearing from you and what I'm feeling also is present moment in a one year matters more than ever.
And that's difficult for people because what is in the present moment, your intuition and your heart, your mind is what can go back to the past or what can go ahead to the future. Right. And so when you are telling a story in hindsight. Your mind is telling the story and that's why people can't feel it.
And that's why it feels dissonant because you're telling the story from your mind and you are negating what was actually in the present moment, which was your feeling, right? And your emotion and your intuition. And just like we think about knowledge or trends or when, when our mind is trying to go forward, right?
Again, like it's missing that emotion part, it's [00:17:00] missing that intuitive part because that literally cannot exist in the past or the future. It is only the present moment. And if you think about this, I think what a lot of people will really learn is to become more comfortable with their emotions, become more comfortable in the present moment, because that is where this nuance lies.
And it's interesting because. Again, when you pause to use chat GPT or you pause to confirm your knowledge, you're literally taking yourself out of the present moment, and then it's no longer alive. So then when you do share it, that aliveness isn't felt. And you're right, there is a nuance of, when something does happen, it's not like you are in real time, I'm just thinking, oh my gosh, this is gonna age me of more of react like Blair Witch or something where , they're in the moment and they're like, that's that's such an old film.
But, I think that's the connection and [00:18:00] the present moment requires you to be not only okay with uncertainty, but to be friends with it. Hmm. And I think in a one year where we're literally our bodies, even though we don't consciously know it. If anyone can tell me for sure what they will be doing on this exact day in 2034.
I don't even wanna say congratulations. 'cause that is, that's weird. That's weird, right? Yeah. And so like Right. And so but that's what our mind is trying to do. It's trying to complete the cycle when we're in the one and that's impossible.
Jenna Brown: Whoa. Oh my God. Okay. I just wanna say too, when we talk, I swear my channel is just so freaking open and I'm like, I just have all these downloads and then I'm like, I went to say them all, but I am also, I like say them all.
Jessica Cerato: Say them all.
Jenna Brown: I'm like, how do I say them all? Oh my God, this is just so good. And I feel like what I want people to [00:19:00] get from. This conversation and like from being introduced to you if they don't already know you and coming into your world, please do. Ultimately, what I always get from you is nothing is an accident.
And you know this to be true. Like I'm in all of your things and I never double check anything. I just run with the intuition and I'm like always right? You're always like, of course you're right on the nose. This is exactly the energy of the day. Or I'll say something, you'll be like, this is exactly on the calendar, exactly what I wrote.
And I'm like, oh, cool. But that is such a skill that we have to develop that not everyone has taken time to develop, to be like, I know where the collective energy is at. I know what we're doing right now. And you don't have to develop all of the skills, uh, to have that. Like I feel like I have that skill because I had to develop it that way.
But like most people don't have that. So. I just need you to know that Jessica has things where you don't have to spend all of this time being like, what is, let me [00:20:00] tap into the collective because funny enough, the whole entire universe is math. If you didn't already know this, it's actually predictable in a sense.
And Jess has beautiful resources available where she can help you understand the energy of the day, that give you an energetic advantage in your marketing that give you an energetic advantage for your own emotionality. I can't tell you how many times that we are, I'm in Jess Mastermind and how one of us will pop in there and be like, I hate live today.
Oh my God, this is so hard, da da, da. And she'll be like, look at the calendar. We're all in a shadow phase of blah, blah, blah. And we're like, oh shit. Or vice versa. Oh my God, the energy shifted. I can feel it. It feels amazing. And I just think when you don't have tools to understand, like this is actually correct.
Sometimes especially those of us who are very intuitive and maybe don't have words for everything, it can be like jarring to be like, whoa, we're here, we're there, we're here, we're there. And how to [00:21:00] ride the wave of the energy. So can you talk about the calendar for a minute? I know we didn't even say we were gonna plug this in, but let's plug it in in the show notes.
'cause I just feel that this is great for people to also be introduced to.
Jessica Cerato: Yeah, I think the easiest way for me to explain it is it's like the weather, right? So just like a meteorologist can predict the patterns, right? It's again, the energy are these geometrical shapes and patterns. And because of that, I can fast forward five days, 10 days, 30 days, 60 days, 90 days, right?
And I can see the patterns and I pull 'em back here and decode them. And so, just imagine if. I'm telling you, which I do that in 10 days, it's going to rain. Here's the difference between knowing that and not, you can prepare for it. You are not gonna freak out when you wake up and oh my gosh, it's raining.
You're going to wake up and be like, of course. Yes. And you already have a plan. [00:22:00] So the calendar is based on the math and science using astrology, numerology, actually, and a lot of it is just psychic timeline and grids. And it can really say, okay, today in the collective, the universal energy is this.
And pinpointing through words. Now, here's the thing, I think another thing I just wanna say is, is you know, energy is a language and everyone can feel energy, but not everyone has the language yet to translate it. So I guarantee you, everyone here, honestly, everyone here feels something. But it's imagine you're in a foreign country.
And you know what you want, but you don't know how to say it. It's not because you don't know. It's because you don't know the word for, can I have a latte, please? Right. You don't know the language. Yeah. And so this just gives you the language and it gives your mind the ability to rest, to be like, yeah, I feel what I feel, and these are the [00:23:00] words.
This is the language. And so because of that, I give also the language of how you can speak to the collective. And so your clients or your potential clients or social media or wherever you're your talking to, they in a second connect with you because you're giving language to what they're feeling.
So the calendar does this not only on a month, but as a day by day cycle by cycle. Exactly what days are best for what type of content, what type of offers and I, like this too because I just wanna share this. I believe 1000% in free will, right? So we always have a choice. And that's why I also give you the obstacles because you still choose what you wanna do.
I laugh so many of my corporate clients, I tell them exactly what's gonna happen on a day and they're like, okay, we're still gonna do it. But they do it knowing that that is going [00:24:00] to be the obstacle. And so, because they know that's an obstacle present on that day, they work around it, they prepare for it.
Wow. So, the calendar is just a beautiful way to put language to what you are already feeling and a tangible way that you don't have to spend any time translating. Yeah. So we put that, spend your, and it's free for your first month. You can download it, the best way again, is to work with it in the present moment, get it for the month, commit to working with it for the month.
And from national retail companies to individuals, there are so many people using the calendar in so many different ways, and I just love to see it because that's the fun part about energy, right? The energy of the day. And if you just think about selling, I just love that, save energy.
And one of my clients uses it to sell a jean jacket and then the other person uses it to sell like [00:25:00] transformational healing.
Jenna Brown: Yep.
Jessica Cerato: And they're both successful.
Jenna Brown: Yep. I love that. Yeah. Yes. Okay, cool. I knew, I was like, we have to talk about this because Yeah. I need, I need people to know about the calendar.
It's so incredible. It's so helpful, especially when you're navigating I'll, if something shitty is happening, I'll go and look at the calendar. 'cause I'm like, what is going on? Then I'm like, oh, I knew it. I knew this would be this, this was something weird or whatever. It's such a great resource.
So, uh, tapping into this energy, it's a one year, this is the year of you figuring out your own energetic advantage, your visionary leadership. For you, what is what is your personal transformation looked like when it's come? Or what are you moving through, I guess your embodied leadership of this is how you're owning that own medicine.
Like you're coming into this visionary leader energy as well. 'cause I, I know I can share for me, like what I'm experiencing of, uh, like there's so many things I was selling that was like, I'm [00:26:00] positioning myself as knowledge and then I'm like. I literally just can't do that anymore. Like my, like soul will not let me.
I continue to be called back to either high level, like something like this where it's mass out there and tons of people get it, but it has no proximity to me or like high level, high proximity. And it's like my soul will not let me do anything in between. That is let me position myself on this hierarchy stage and teach you because I know more than you.
It's consistently bringing me back into this or bringing me forward, I should say, not back into this energy of peer to peer. People are paying me for my wisdom. People are paying me for my psychic insights. People are paying me for proximity and it feels way easier, but it's also almost like more confusing because so much of this industry, at least the coaching industry is still operating in knowledge, like they're still like.
No. Sell knowledge. Sell knowledge, sell knowledge. And I instinctively psychically and literally know that we're moving into this more wisdom based [00:27:00] era, which I think women like us will absolutely thrive. But like how are you navigating that? Are you feeling that as well? What tangibly is that showing up for as you Yeah.
So people listening can be like, oh shit. Like I'm going through that same thing and I didn't realize that's why.
Jessica Cerato: Yeah. It's interesting. I'll share this because I think also this will help people. So, we have , our universal year, but this will be the long answer to tell you that I am working through it.
I will share a few of my themes, but also because I know my unique energy cycle, I'm not stressed about it because my birthday is in November. The later your birthday is within the year, the longer runway you have to activate the energy, right? And so it's interesting for me because obviously I'm within the collective year with everybody, but I know my cycles are shifting and changing and I'm always a little bit [00:28:00] like a longer runway, if this makes sense.
And my personal year is a four and the four is all about building and structure. And so for me, what really came online for me this year is really honoring my body as a vessel. whether we like it or not, our body in this human form in this lifetime is the vessel through which our wisdom and our energy flows through and.
I feel that this is the year for me to really expand my capacity to allow more to come in sustainably. I've always been high energy. I mean, on any given day there is so much running through me, and yet I know that to truly support in a way I want to support, I have to honor my body, my vessel first. And even in these past few months of focusing on [00:29:00] it I can tell you my work has gotten so precise.
I was precise before, but because my body is now. Operating at, I would say, an optimal level or more optimal than even a few months ago. My precision is off the charts. So, for some people it won't be your body, but you do have some outdated container in your life that you need to update into this next new cycle.
And so if it's not your body, what could it be? Well, it could be structures in your business, it could be your physical environment, your home. It could be your time. There's just so many containers that to really allow us to expand, we need to honor each of them. And so what I would say to everyone is it's important to find your mm.
[00:30:00] Either outdated or I would say outdated. You know, what I'm just getting, which is so interesting is, I'm not a technology person, so I'm laughing that it's a technology example coming through. And this, if you are a tech person, you're listening, you're probably like, what the heck does she know?
But it's a new operating system, you have the hardware, but if you don't upgrade your operating system to have it run optimally, you're always gonna be slower. It's always going to be. So it's like just really optimize your containers so you can expand at the rate you want. Also, for me, I'm really, for so long and I think because of the environments that I've worked in, mostly corporate, I mean, coming away from that a little bit now, but because knowledge was so prevalent and so valued, I was very good at explaining complex problems.
I was very good at explaining the why. If anyone who wanted to know why, they would ask me and I could tell them because, and I realized that I was [00:31:00] translating that a little bit into my work where I would know something and I would say it, and then I would say, because blank, blank, blank, blank, blank.
And I'm just no longer saying, because anymore, because I'm trusting that the message for those who are ready to receive it will be enough. And because of that, I feel, again, my work can be more precise because I'm spending less time explaining the why. And yeah, I'm just trusting in what I'm saying. And so I feel people hearing will know the difference.
But just if you know something and you know it, really ask yourself, what is the benefit of me explaining this? Mm-hmm. And if the only benefit. For you to feel better or for you to trust yourself even more. You don't need it. It's a, you are wasting your energy when, I mean, it sounds so simple, but it's not easy.
You just need to trust yourself more.
Jenna Brown: [00:32:00] Oh, so good. What's coming through too. When you say this, I just said this to somebody in a mastermind, I am in around, when people will say, Hey, can we get together and get coffee and I'll pick your brain essentially? Yes. And I'm like, hell no.
Like my brain is expensive. You cannot pick my brain. Uh, I mean you can, I just will invoice you. Right? And she was going through that transition of people are asking me, can I pick your brain? And it always, I feel like is most popular with friends or Where you're like, oh, this is kind of weird.
'cause do I give them an answer or not? Anyways, what's coming through? When you said that was I had given her the feedback that I used to do that. So people would ask me, Hey, like I wanna start a business and dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. And I would tell them, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Here's what I'm seeing.
Or sometimes I would have psychic hits for someone and I'd be like, I just have to tell you da da da da da. And what I realized was two things. One, subconsciously I was doing that so I could flex because it was giving me an ego boost for them to see how brilliant I was, especially people close to me. [00:33:00] I wanted them to see wow, Jenna's good at what she does and she's special or something, I don't know.
And so I was like getting this ego boost around flexing, like literally just let me flex my muscle, but my muscle is like my psychic power intuition, wisdom for them. And I was like, oh, that's interesting. I'm getting off on that sensation. And then number two was that, I realized I was doing myself a disservice and them a disservice because there was no energetic container for that transmission or that activation to actually take root and create a transformation. So what I find is that for most people, when they're trying to raise their prices or all, we've had a million of these conversations where it's like I had to keep raising my price because my activations, my precision, my psychic insights, they were so Clear and precise, but it was just like I was throwing these beautiful seeds of gold onto like hard road and there was no fertile, soil that could actually let that grow into something beautiful. And then that would just cause [00:34:00] me to be frustrated or even like sometimes bitter resentful where I'm like, dude, I'm literally giving you the keys to the kingdom and you're doing nothing with it.
And what I found coming back to the thing that we were saying about the embodied wisdom is that now I don't do that. most of my friends in real life have never had a psychic insight from me. I've never been like, here's a psychic hit I have for you. Rarely do I do that. Sometimes they'll be like, I want you to flex.
And I'm just like, no, I won't. But it's almost this energy too, of knowing when to refrain. Like I know it, but I'm not always going to say it. When I refrain it, but I'm like getting it in the system. It's literally, people can feel it. They're like, I know you have something, but you just won't tell me.
And I'm like, I do, but I'm sorry, I just, here's an invoice. No, I'm just like, here, here's how you can pay me to receive it and why am I sharing this? I guess just to come back to that point of one, embodied wisdom and two, I do think this [00:35:00] is the era of owning those gifts and owning that energy of this actually has to have, like you said, a correct dated container, like not this outdated container for the service that you provide, for the insights that you're bringing, everybody listening, whatever it is that you do.
Have you outgrown that?
Jessica Cerato: Yeah, and this is really important, especially as you want to look further out because if you are sharing with someone an opportunity. And remember, this opportunity meets free will. If their free will is not choosing to do the thing, to engage in that opportunity, the outcome that you so clearly saw for them will not happen because their free will did not engage the opportunity.
And if the outcome not happening happens too much, yes, you will start to feel resentful. Why am I sharing this? But for some people, they will also start to question. Their [00:36:00] gift because why didn't that happen? I saw it so clearly. yeah, because you planted the seed and the person did not water it.
You planted the seed and the person literally dug it up. So of course the outcome, like there is this that energy in the middle. If it's not a match, it doesn't matter how precise you are, the timeline shifts to meet the choice point in the middle. And that's when the outcome then changes.
I just shared about this because, for me, free will and choice. Is a verb. And for every situation that we have, we can choose differently. We can choose again. Just because we did something 30 seconds ago does not mean we need to continue doing it now. And that is also an important part of the present moment, especially this month, in February, but also this year will go quickly.
And if you waste any time second guessing your decisions or [00:37:00] going back, you will maybe not miss the timeline, but you will make it harder for yourself to move forward. And so present moment and I think, that's part of embodied wisdom is when you have had a lot of experiences where things didn't go.
As you had exactly planned, you spend less time worrying about that because you have given yourself so much proof that it doesn't matter, like it will. I mean, I'm a firm believer and I know people really get annoyed sometimes when I say this, but just always works out for me. It just always works out.
And so why am I wasting any time worrying about that when I know that to be true? Now, will it work out exactly the way I expect or want it? Not always, but that sentence, it always works out for me is just such embodied truth. some people call that luck. I call it preparation meets opportunity.
Actually, I don't care what people call it, it's just my truth. So it just [00:38:00] always works out. I don't know. Oh,
Jenna Brown: but you just had the That's such a great point. I don't care what people say about this 'cause this is my truth. I feel like that's the moment I'm anticipating this year becomes
Jessica Cerato: yes.
Jenna Brown: It's like I don't give two shits. If the, like for me as a business coach, I don't care what famous girl, coach girl is doing over here. I don't care what this woman is doing over here. I don't care what this person says. This is the only strategy that works in the entire industry. I literally give zero shits because what is my embodied truth?
And that's how you know if it's actually embodied truth. You literally don't give a shit what that person is saying and you're not hearing somebody say flexing their authority and being like, oh, well maybe that's the right way. And also that is what people are going to resonate with. When you share that on socials or you share that in your newsletter or wherever you're sharing things.
Is that is what people resonate with is oh, I feel something. Right? Because confidence is in RRT language. It'll be like, oh, I wanna feel more confident. cool, go out and do it more [00:39:00] times. And then you'll feel more confident. Like you can earn confidence in a skill by doing the skill more and more times.
If we're learning basketball, we just keep practicing and we get better at basketball. Yes. And also there's this different energy of confidence that comes from embodied truth that is lift. ' cause you just said, everything works out for me, but that's not something you're installing right now. I have to believe this.
I'm trying to believe this. Let me tap this into my body. You believe that because you've seen it happen enough times that you're like, no matter what is happening, everything literally always works out for me.
Jessica Cerato: Yeah.
Jenna Brown: Right. And so who cares what so and so says on the internet. Or how people are inspiring fear or whatever it is, because ultimately I know this to be true for me, and that is leadership.
Jessica Cerato: Mm-hmm. Yeah. I just had an interesting question for everyone listening, because I think this is gonna be so important. I want you to find out what your truth sounds like. I want you to explore what your [00:40:00] intuition sounds like, because I think a lot of times, especially, it's coming up so strongly.
Confidence is one frequency and truth is an other frequency. And I think sometimes, especially when we're listening or looking at people speak, we're bringing those energies together and it's not true. Like we all know these people who are so confident and they speak with such authority that we simply believe them, not because of the truth, but because they are confident.
Right. And then that there are others we know in our life who we know to be so true, but yet the frequency of confidence is not there for them. So literally no one listens to them or believes them because the confidence is missing. So I just feel it's like, what does your truth sound like and feel like?
What does your intuition sound like or feel like? And for some people I will say this, my intuition doesn't come in and say, [00:41:00] this is the smartest thing you've ever done and this is why, blah, blah, blah. It, my intuition is not always confident in that way. And actually, when I do get a little bit of that cockiness, I 1000% know it's my mind and therefore not my intuition, because my mind is trying to overpower that.
And so, I wanna ask you this. Okay. When you know something is true or what does your truth sound like? What does it feel like? What is the frequency of your truth? Regardless of what the actual truth is?
Like what's the golden thread of that for you?
Jenna Brown: Are you asking me or them?
Jessica Cerato: Yeah.
Jenna Brown: Oh
Jessica Cerato: me. Well, everybody, but also you because I think you'll be a good example.
Jenna Brown: My highest soul truth is there is no separation, which also is the exact same thing that people come to me for when it's like, Hey, I wanna manifest my dream life. How did you do it? I just always say there's no separation between me and money. If money is just reflecting [00:42:00] to me who I am, what is it showing me?
What's the message? If the world is reflecting to me who I am right now, what is it showing me? What's the message? And that's what I've lived by. That's how I've created my entire reality. But then when things are like really intense and people think that the collective truth is usually the ego, FYI, and by the way, all truth is subjective to the person.
It's all based off of the lens that the person is seeing the world through. At one time, my truth was I believed the ultimate truth was there was a heaven and hell, and we were all gonna burn in hell after we died. And now I do not believe that to be true, but there are other people that will die on that hill and think that that is true.
So I had to get comfortable with what is like my truth. What resonates for me, and that is what people feel, even if they're in ego world of us and them in right and wrong and dah, dah, dah dah. My truth, my embodied lived truth. The thing that no one could take away from me, [00:43:00] because it comes from my near death experience and my activation from literally seeing the other side is you could do nothing to convince me to go into that energy.
I will never do it. I'm sorry. People hate that. And also it will never happen. 'cause it's something like when truth actually locks into your cells like I truly believe it changes your DNA. I'm obviously not a microbiologist, I can't tell, but I feel that that is what's true for me. And it's like woven within me.
It can't be undone. It feels like it can't be almost even tested. Like it's i'm sorry. You just can't go another way. This is your truth. And this is, so, it's like almost this clicking into place, I guess, for me of just this is my ultimate, deepest truth. And do think it's like ultimate truth, but I'm, I'm not gonna enforce that on other people.
But I would just say I know that if you are in a state of fear, like if what you believe to be true comes from a state of fear [00:44:00] or from a state of proving or from a state of separation, meaning you think you're separate from someone else or something else, it's not the truth. So if it comes from this place of I get to have anything that I want, I get to be the change in the world, it starts with me.
I'm creator, like creator consciousness. It's always gonna feel more simple and clean and clear, I guess is the way I wanna say it. And grounded, it won't feel so heightened emotionally. And the other thing too is, I'm sure you have said this a million times, intuition is not loud. Emotion is loud.
Intuition is a quiet knowing within you that's just this is what it is, period. And those of us that have trained that skill of, like when you talk to real psychics, Jessica and I we're not over here saying oh my God, the world is ending and dah, dah, dah. You'll never hear us do that.
Why? Because we're tapped into something that's so much higher, deeper, and it's quieter than [00:45:00] the noise. And I guess that's what I wanna say is your truth is gonna be intuitive. It's not gonna seem loud and it's not gonna come from this anxiety or fear place, or even emotionality.
'cause everything I just said about Christ consciousness, that doesn't actually come from an emotionality place. For me, it comes from knowing. It's just that's what it is.
Jessica Cerato: Yeah. I think what I love the most, I mean, I love, I'll add to all that, but you know, for me, truth is simple. It's just simple.
And we all know the example of, I've told a lie in my life, and whenever I try to tell the lie, I have to make it more complicated to believe it. Right. and so that's sometimes why it is sometimes hard for people to really accept and embody their truth because it seems so simple.
Yeah. But that's because it is. It's just more of a coherence and less about data. And I just [00:46:00] feel the one, right, if we, we tap into this, it's not about one or the other. It's not putting people against each other. It's really about choosing and aligning and embodying your truth and the energy will rearrange around you.
And so again, you don't need to do anything, right? I mean, everyone gets this feeling when you meet someone for the first time or you are like, uh, they're my people. Have they said anything to you to tell you that they're your people? Have they explained their full life story to you? No. But you just know and you trust that knowing this, I mean always for sure, but this year when, and I just wanna share this because in always when there's a shift of energy.
The people, the energy that were very successful and benefited from the energy from which we are leaving feel this, they feel a shift. They feel, oh my gosh, I'm, I am, they [00:47:00] feel like something is getting pulled away from them. Like they are no longer in control. I mean, we've all felt it.
When we feel like we are out of control, what do we do? We grip harder, we shout louder. And so we're right now kind of in this in-between.
Jenna Brown: Yeah.
Jessica Cerato: Where there are just a large part of the collective attached to the past. And it's interesting 'cause people will say, well, how are you attached to the past? If it's a one, well, you're attached to the previous cycle.
Right, right, right. And so, I love this feeling of being in the present moment, looking ahead and, I'm laughing because. I think we are examples of people who are and will be successful in both cycles.
Jenna Brown: Mm-hmm.
Jessica Cerato: Again, not because we weren't so focused on what we were doing. 'cause the doing changes, we were really focused on who we are being and that transcends any cycle.
Jenna Brown: A hundred percent. Yes. [00:48:00] Like literally all of that. And I, I just feel that so strongly and I ke I just keep getting this energy of wow. One, I'm so thankful to have you in my quarter. 'cause I'm just like, I feel this, this energy shift. Also, I'm always like tapped into the collective. You welcome.
So I can feel the kind of freaking outness of oh my God. What is working? I feel like people are asking question like what works anymore? Yes. You
Jessica Cerato: know, it's,
Jenna Brown: I'm hearing you say, and I'm reiterating, is like the thing that's working is actually what has always worked that was sustainable.
And that will make it through all cycles, which is the, you like, do you know who you are? Do you know your unique codes? Do you know your unique truth? Are you anchored in your leadership? Because if not, this is 100% the time to do that. And like this is the year we're building on, this is the foundation.
And you are the foundation. Which is what I'm saying when I'm saying Christ consciousness. Like it's all you. Yes. Like you're creating the whole entire universe right now you're [00:49:00] saying. And I'm like, if the world revolves around you. And you actually take that seriously. Then the work is you what are you doing right now for your capacity, for your leadership, for your expression?
And are you tapped into the present moment? Or are you doing it this way of the past? Which is just flex some knowledge and just put it in a course and everyone's gonna buy it. Just have an eight person team and they're gonna do great with it. I think that'll work.
I'm getting psychically for three more years. I think that people will still ride that wave for three more years and then it'll be pretty complete. That will be like, and we're done with the bow on top with that energy. But if listening to this now, like you're actually you have a, a leg up.
Like you, you're getting a peak from two really freaking psychic precise people telling you like now. Is the time for you to understand your unique leadership, your unique codes, your unique genius in putting that out there in [00:50:00] your embodied frequency way. And that's the ticket,
Jessica Cerato: yes.
And just for clarity. So 2029 will and anything that is not built on identity will crumble. So Sure. If you're listening and you want short term success, keep doing what you are doing and you will work hard and you will get some reward. And then 20, 29 will hit and you will come back to this place.
Because yes, of course it is work to know who you are, but if you don't, it is a slow drain on everything. Imagine, and maybe this is what people are doing, you wake up and you ask yourself. What do I say? How would I say it? and that it's just like keeping 10 browsers open in your mind that don't need to be open you don't have to think about who you're gonna be or think about how you're gonna show up or read the room and then decide what you're gonna say. You can [00:51:00] simply be you. And yes, it's work upfront, but just imagine then how much time and energy is saved if you move forward without having to filter that every day.
Jenna Brown: Oh, like honestly, every person in the world should listen to this podcast, podcast agreed episode. You're so freaking welcome because wow. Like truly, truly, truly, what a gift to have. You're a genius in the world. I love you. I'm obsessed with your work in the world. I'm so grateful to be in your world.
Will you share with everybody the quiz that we're gonna attach to at the bottom of this?
Jessica Cerato: Yeah. If you are curious about your energetic advantage, I have a free quiz, which is a great place to start. You can come to my website and take the quiz and you'll learn a little bit about your unique gift and then how you can start using it.
It, I shared this recently and there were so many aha moments of, again. They [00:52:00] knew what the energy was. But because I put an archetype, because I give you the language, really, people embodied it and they could now say, I'm the connector, I am the rebel, I am the catalyst, I am the whatever.
And having a language to help you start like embody who you already are is so helpful. And I love it because everyone who takes the quiz, there's so many different iterations of the results. And it just goes to show you that everyone is so unique. And that's the freaking point. I laugh, I have to share this video because I don't know if I even told you this.
I was, oh, well I told you this. I'm getting a new computer. So of course part of that is, taking everything off that I had and moving it over. Although, and I went back to my very first reading that I, oh my God, did for someone. You are gonna die when you hear what it was called. So this is five, almost six years ago now.
It [00:53:00] was called Step Into Your Sparkle, and the first page was, no one is you and that is your superpower. And it's interesting how so much in my work and my life has changed since then. Mm-hmm. But that, that thread is the same. The thread is the same. And so I will continue to double down on that thread because it is your superpower.
No one can do it like you, and that's the point. And so please share your uniqueness with the world. In doing so, you'll help the world, but you'll also inspire others around you to do that as well. And that's what creates the beautiful orchestra right of, of us when we don't all sing the same note where we come together.
And it might be awkward at first, but it is definitely, definitely worth it, for sure.
Jenna Brown: Hmm, [00:54:00] amazing. Well, thank you for being here. Any last things you wanna say?
Jessica Cerato: No, I,
Jenna Brown: no, I
Jessica Cerato: dunno about the end. You want, but No, I don't.
Jenna Brown: No. I'm like you're, I just feel like you're welcome is the end. I just feel like that was amazing and also like you're amazing And also I often joke that Jess and I are the dream team of who you want. Yes.
Jessica Cerato: Agreed.
Jenna Brown: Oftentimes her clients hire me and my clients hire her.
And we love it. And I love it because. Clearly we flow together, but ultimately, yeah, just such a gift to have you in our world and in this industry. And I hope everybody goes and downloads the quiz and gets the free trial of the calendar. And thank you for being here, and thank you for sharing all of this wisdom with us today.
Jessica Cerato: Ah, thank you. And of course I can and will say the same about you. So you are epic. You are you.
Jenna Brown: I am me. Uh, there's no like me.
Jessica Cerato: That's true.
Jenna Brown: To come full circle. Uh, all right everyone, thank you so much for being here. As always, drop into the dms of Jess and I. Let us know what [00:55:00] you loved about this episode.
Make sure you get her free quiz in the, , show notes here, and as well as getting that free trial of the calendar. And we'll see you next time.
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