Intro: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Jenna Brown Show. I am Jenna Brown, psychic business strategist, wealth Energetics mentor and subconscious healing expert. The guide for women who are scaling to 6, 7, 8 figures in their business and who are done playing small with their power, their money, and their visibility, who have a deep inner belief that they get to have it all.
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Jenna Brown: Hello, everyone. Welcome back to the Jenna Brown Show. I am so excited for our guest today. We have Paige Otis, who is an astrocartographer. If you have no clue what I'm talking about, you're about to know. You're gonna be so excited here in about five seconds, and so interested. So say hi, Paige.
Paige Otis: Hello, everyone. Thank you for having me, Jenna. I'm so excited
Jenna Brown: Yeah, I'm so happy that you're here. Okay, so you have told me before we got on this call, you pretty much work with women to find the best places in the world for them to live and thrive on. But in your words, explain to us what astrocartography is, because I know what it is. I'm always telling my people you need to know this, but I need you to tell the ladies listening why they need this in their life immediately
Paige Otis: Yes, absolutely. So astrocartography is really the astrology of travel. I like to describe it to my [00:02:00] clients as your personal ley lines around the world. There are locations for you that hold specific energy, and by either traveling, relocating, moving, or living on these locations, you can really access the energy and use it to expand your life in so many different ways, whether that's business, love, partnership, writing a book, launching a podcast.
There are infinite ways to use this magic, which is why I absolutely adore it
Jenna Brown: Mm. I love it. I love it. How did you find astrocartography? What's your story with this?
Paige Otis: Yeah, so obviously I started as an astrologer, but simultaneously I have been traveling the world my entire life. Since I was really 16, I went on my first international trip to go perform all over Europe dancing, and ever since then just was completely bit by the travel bug. And I started to notice that places held energy beyond the general cultural understanding.
They had [00:03:00] specific experiences for me, very intense, some very beautiful, some very challenging. And once I started to track this in my own life and the deeper I went into my astrology practice, when I had heard that there was the astrology of travel, I was absolutely hooked. My Sagittarius moon just fell in love, and I really was able to track all of my life experiences and then use this magic to help guide me to where I wanted to be around the world
Jenna Brown: How long ago was that?
Paige Otis: Gosh, I mean, I got into astral cartography about two and a half years now
Jenna Brown: Okay, love that.
I, for me, I think astrocartography, I didn't know what it was until maybe five years ago.
But similar, like I traveled all over the world for years. Also was a traveling dancer, but in Australia, fun facts. And yeah. And I, same, I [00:04:00] would notice that there was different places I would go to, and they would have these different energies.
So when I first had an astrocartography reading, before she ever told me what any energy was, she was like, "Guess," Cause I had lived other places. Like I lived in Australia. I, I was in South Africa for a long period of time. And she'd be like, "Tell me what the energy like was for you in that place."
And then it was always like aligned with the lines. Okay, explain to us though, for the person, I'm assuming most of the people listening know what astrology is, but if they're... Like how does this work that it, we would all have a different essentially astrology on different places in the world? 'Cause it's not the same for everybody all over.
So like how does that, explain how that works to our more linear thought people.
Paige Otis: absolutely. For the Virgos, all the earth signs here that want the logics, the logistics. So basically, we are all born with our birth chart. This is the moment we took our first breath on Earth, and it really is the energetic architecture of your soul. [00:05:00] Now, how astrocartography works is it shows you where these planets were in specific places when you were born.
For example, Venus was on the horizon line when I was born in the East Coast, so my Venus descendant line is in that region of the world, right? So if I travel to Colorado, Jupiter was the highest planet in the sky there, and that's my Jupiter MC. That's where it activates the highest point in my astrology chart.
yes, it's very magical in the way that it works, and it's very individual to each person's soul. So it's not a general thing. We don't all have a Venus line running through California. It is specific to your soul, which is why it is so magic.
Jenna Brown: It's so magical because you're literally drawn to these places for these activations, and
anybody that's listening and you've actually done that, where you're like, "I'm gonna travel. Where am I gonna go?" That's what I literally [00:06:00] did. I dropped out of college when I was 19 and moved to Australia. I can't actually remember what was in Australia for me,
but,
Paige Otis: Umm
Jenna Brown: being like, "This is the first time I've ever felt home in my whole life."
I was like... Which also, by the way, I was born on my Pluto line, so just for that.
Just so we all know, for all of the people, it's like death and rebirth. I almost died twice living there and hated it. My whole life I was like, "Get me out of here." And before I ever knew that, it's like I never experienced that sensation of I belong here, like home, until I was in South Africa. And it was just so interesting, like you know, like you have... If you've traveled, you know that you go some places and you're like, "I can't go there again." "That is not for me." Or, " I love it here so much. There's something here that's just so delicious." So obviously we're gonna... By the way, already in the show notes, you guys are probably already looking, we have Paige's one-on-one session down there for you to book so that you can do an [00:07:00] astrocartography session with her. But let's like talk about some of the, I don't know, some of the different lines that maybe people may have been drawn to in the past, or maybe like right now if they're saying, "I want this in my life," where should they go?
Paige Otis: Yeah, let's get into it. So I've noticed quite a lot of themes when it comes to very powerful women, women that are lit on fire by their mission, want to have a big impact. And so I'd love to kind of offer some of the energetic patterns that I see with these particular lines. And if you're looking for this in your life, finding this line around the world can be really beneficial for so many reasons.
So the first one that I would love to talk about that's really alive, that I'm seeing in clients right now, is your Mercury line. Now, you have four Mercury lines around the world, and these are the best lines to travel to for any sort of communication. Whether you are launching a podcast, you wanna write a book, [00:08:00] you, want to host a mastermind, you want to dive into sales, or redo your entire website copy, anything to do with the mind, with channeling your wisdom and sharing your voice, this energy is the absolute best.
And for example, I had a client come to me, and she wanted to become a published author. Now, she was really unhappy with where she was living. It was a very all-consuming astrocartography line for her. We located her best line to go and write, this book, and she packed up her bags, she moved to this location, she wrote her book, and she became a published author last month
Jenna Brown: I love that
Paige Otis: Yeah.
So there's never-ending stories like this. I have another client on, her Mercury line, she was literally on a billboard and had been for years with her name and face everywhere. So it really is the energy of people know your name, your essence is out in the world, and there's all sorts of very electric energy getting your [00:09:00] wisdom out into the world
Jenna Brown: I love that. Okay, question. So obviously this girl, she moved to her line. Obviously everybody listening can't just pick up and move their life if they have kids and life. So can they get that energy some other way? Can they go and travel? You know what I'm saying?
Paige Otis: Absolutely. So there are many ways because I have clients, again, yeah, they can't just pick up and go, or they maybe don't want to live in this location. Now, first and foremost, it's always gonna be most powerful when you're physically there. You don't have to move, but potentially even going for a week or two would be really powerful.
However, if you can't physically go at all, there are so many energetic ways to tap into this frequency, which is why I love it, because it's so quantum in nature. One of them specifically is you can work with people from this region of the world. For example, if Jenna was living on my Mercury line, saying yes to becoming a podcast guest would be so beneficial [00:10:00] for me because I'm tapping into that astrocartography line without actually physically being there.
And this is called, yeah, this is called remote activation, and I have seen it so often. For example, I have my Venus descendant line, like I said, running through the East Coast of the US. This is where so many of my clients come, Venus embodying the feminine frequency and the DC representing relationships.
So your people can come from these regions of the world, your collaborations, mentors that you hire. I even know people that target their ads to specific astrocartography lines. Or if you... Yeah
Jenna Brown: all so genius. My mind is blo- being blown. Keep going.
Paige Otis: Yeah. So you know, and it expands past business too. You know, you can either be connecting... I've had clients change their dating app locations to this region of the world where they have a really beautiful love connection, and I've had that bloom as well. So there's so many energetic ways that you can tap into the [00:11:00] frequency without actually packing up your bags, which is really empowering for so many
Jenna Brown: It's actually wild, and I'm so curious right now because I just, speaking of books, I just signed on with my speaking coach to help me write my book, and he lives in Spain. And I'm like, "Wait, this is so interesting," 'cause I know I have amazing energy. I'm going to Greece and Italy this summer, and I have perfection energy in Paris, Greece, and Italy. I'm like, where in the world?
Uh, anyways, I know I have fucking epic energy over there, and I'm like, I bet you it's because something over there, I need to go look,
is supporting... And he's living there, and that
makes so much sense.
Paige Otis: Yep. It is, it is once you start to play with this, there are so many realms that you get to open up when you do this. Like for example, you know, the next line that's really abundant is your Jupiter MC line. Now, I will preface by saying everybody's chart is different, so Jupiter lines are not the same [00:12:00] for everyone, which is why you wanna have a very skilled astrologer that knows the condition of the planet, because that's gonna affect your experiences.
However, Jupiter is generally very expansive and beautiful and is really here to make you step into a bigger expression of your soul. And I have my Jupiter MC line running through Denver, and your MC is your career. It's your public recognition, how you want to be seen by the world, and how you want to influence the masses.
And this is one of the things that allowed me to sign on with my coach, and the day that I did that, 10 grand came flying in in the same 24-hour period. So, you know, Jupiter ruling wealth, it was like an instant acknowledgement of that astrocartography line without ever even going there, but hiring someone from this location
Jenna Brown: I'm so curious, like all of my clients that are listening, I'm like, "I want you all to do a session so you can tell me what Sedona, Arizona is on your chart,"
because that's me.[00:13:00]
That's where I'm living
Paige Otis: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
Jenna Brown: It is funny because I know my Pluto line goes through Tulum, and people are
always like, "Let's go to Tulum." And I'm like, I
have no desire to go to Tulum ever." But it's because it's the same line. It's like the exact way I feel about Ohio, where I'm from. I'm like, I have no desire to ever go there 'cause it's that death and... I'm like, I'm good. I spent a lifetime dying and being rebirthed. I'm ready to just experience all the good things, thanks.
Paige Otis: love this so much. First of all, I was also born on my Pluto line, and that is such... Yeah, when you said that, I was like, "Me too." This is why I love you.
Jenna Brown: That's so interesting because also I feel, tell me if you relate to this, but I like totally carry that Pluto energy. People always say I'm ayahuasca, like I literally am ayahuasca because it's like this like death of the ego energy,
and I don't really try, and it's like it's always like that no matter what.
Whether it's like a great experience or not with people with me, it's like always this energy of [00:14:00] me... Yeah. Anyways, do you experience that too?
Like people are- Yeah ... borrowing that like kind of innate energy in you too?
Paige Otis: Mm-hmm, because it's a part of your soul. If you were born on that line, then that energetic signature is woven into you, no matter your sun sign, your moon sign, right? There's so much architecture that is kind of hidden in the chart that once you find that, it's like, of course that's part of your essence.
I find the most powerful coaches really have strong Plutonic placements. They have a relationship with Pluto, and it's just so beautiful because I say that I'm a Scorpio in disguise. When you look at my astrology chart, you don't see Scorpio, but when you dive deeper, almost all of my aspects have Pluto involved.
So I don't go a day without Pluto.
Jenna Brown: That's so interesting.
Paige Otis: Mm-hmm.
Jenna Brown: I can relate,
Paige Otis: Yes, and I can relate to Tulum as well because that is my Mars line, and as incredible as it was, I could not stay for long. But you are on your Mars line, so I would love to [00:15:00] hear
Jenna Brown: about your line. But also for reference to, I wish I would have looked at this before we got on this call, because I have really great energy moving through California for me, and I feel that I borrow that as well. It's
like very feminine energy, so it's like it's not that far from where I am.
And I feel I just pop over to California kind of a lot,
and I feel like that is supporting me in the same way. 'Cause for those of you guys listening who are, who are still like, "What the hell are you talking about?" When you look at the chart, it's literally these lines are moving through these different places.
And how, how far away miles-wise from the lines is it still affecting
Paige Otis: 700.
Jenna Brown: Okay.
So it's like you still have this like energetic space where it's like these lines are supporting you and affecting you. But yeah, anyway, so I live on my Mars line. It literally goes right through Sedona, Arizona, where I live, and it's been amazing energy to build and scale my business, but also can be very [00:16:00] masculine energy. And I also live in the desert, which so especially in the summer, it gets rough for me because it feels like I'm like, "Take me to the water or I shall die." Like it's "Take me to the feminine waters or I will not exist anymore." But it's fucking awesome 'cause
I can come home and I will like just create the most amazing things ever business-wise.
I have literally become a millionaire living on this line. That's so cool.
And like at the same time, I still have to get a- away here and there, or else I go a little nutso with
Paige Otis: Yeah, and that's really the potency of Mars in particular, and I shared with you before we hopped on my experience with going to my Mars MC line, which is one of the best for career expansion, for being a leader in your field, for being this iconic character, and really known and witnessed by a large amount of people, having so many opportunities flood you, [00:17:00] and you have to be able to hold it.
You have to be able to really expand your capacity in that realm. I got to a point where I was working, and this was before my entrepreneurship days, but I was working so many hours for such a long duration of time, I actually got so severely burnt out, which is, which is an indicator of Mars when it's not healthily expressed is adrenal burnout, right?
So it's like you can have the high highs and the high lows, but you gotta know your own personal energetics, like you said, popping over to California to kind of find that soothing feminine energy to balance that Mars out.
Jenna Brown: 100%, slash support my adrenals.
It's actually so interesting because I did have more adrenal fatigue in the beginning of me living here, and then I was, like, so supportive of my adrenals. And I just had a call with my hormone specialist person a couple of months ago, and she was like, "Your adrenals are amazing."
She couldn't understand. She was like, "This is so confusing because what you're telling me your life looks like..."
She's "I get it. You [00:18:00] clearly have capacity for it 'cause your adrenals are amazing." But she was like, "Also, how?" It was, it was interesting.
Paige Otis: I love that. Mm
Jenna Brown: so we know that we're looking for Jupiter.
We're looking for that's great for public recognition. You said Mercury is a good one.
I guess too, like what I would love to hear from you for them is, like, why should they be coming to you
to have a reading above trying to do this on ChatGPT?
Paige Otis: don't even get me started. Come on.
Jenna Brown: I'm gonna get you started 'cause this is me. I'm like, girl, this is, all of us need to understand.
'Cause even for me, clients will be... They're, you can go get a strategy from s- uh, from chat, feel free,
but you're not gonna have my specific insights.
Paige Otis: não
Jenna Brown: So tell us about what your insights tend to look like with your clients
in sessions with you.
Paige Otis: Mm-hmm. This work is not a party trick, and even though it can be fun [00:19:00] to talk about, it is soul alchemy in the deepest level. And in order to facilitate a transformation of that depth, you need to be met by a facilitator that can meet you and guide you through that depth, which is what AI does not provide.
And from what I have seen with AI so far with people, me, even myself, trying to test out, okay, how intelligent is this system, it simply is not. Because not only, like I explained in the beginning, a Venus line is not the same for everyone. A Venus line not only depends where Venus is in your chart by sign, but also by aspect, also by house, also by all of the other numerous factors in your chart, which can only really be solved by having such a skilled individual that is tapped into her soul on the other side reading and translating that.
And so, in my opinion, there is no way that AI will ever be able to replicate what you can do in a session. And also, [00:20:00] you know, with me, what I love so much about my work is it's not just the logistical astro-cartography lines. There's so much psychic wisdom that comes through in my sessions. There's so much depth and beauty and alchemy internally that occurs that could never, ever be replicated on an online platform.
And, you know, I've had clients completely change their life. I've had clients meet the love of their life, you know, move and launch an entire business, write a memoir. I mean, you name it, just by discovering and having a sounding board of what their true heart's desires are, and then the permission and the logistics of how to access that energy around the world
Jenna Brown: I love that. Yes to all of that. Agreed. Yes, yes, yes. Okay I also wanna hear from you, you're living in Oregon right now, so tell us about this energy for you in Oregon, and I know you're, like, doing fun [00:21:00] performing-y things, and I'm like, I just wanna hear all about it.
And also, what is the energy that you're picking up on?
Like, Tell us how you use this in your everyday life too
Paige Otis: I use this always, and I have quite a fun few stories to share. Now, right now in Oregon, like I said, you experience an astrocartography line 700 miles. So this is a really gonna be an expansive story for people that maybe can't get close to an astrocartography line, but they're in orb, they're 500 miles away.
Right now where I am, I am around 500 miles from my Uranus MC line. Now, Uranus governs astrology. This is literally the place, the state that I launched my astrology practice, that I really started diving into this work. And so many opportunities come when I'm living in Oregon in regards to getting this consciousness out to the masses.
So I'm truly like a living, breathing embodiment of my astrocartography lines, living in this location and being a [00:22:00] practicing astrologer. But also, I use it in every aspect, whether that's traveling nomadic, going on a trip, saying yes to an in-person event. You know, for example, I went to Colorado, is a very potent place for me.
I have three astrocartography lines there. Even going there, I got an invite to walk the runway on my birthday as a model this year.
Jenna Brown: Love that. Obsessed.
Paige Otis: I had so many interviews, so many gorgeous photo shoots. It's my Sun MC line. That is the place of greatest visibility for me. And so that kind of exposure, that, that essence of fame, like I go there as I say yes to these opportunities because I know the magic that's waiting on the other side of that.
And even, like in Oregon, I've had so many expansive dance opportunities come because You know, I was born in California, so my relocated chart in Oregon is very similar to my natal chart, if not the [00:23:00] same. And I was born with a stellium in Pisces. So when I'm in this region of the world, I get to act out that stellium in Pisces in the 10th house of visibility, that is literally the quintessential dancer.
So every time I'm here, there is just so many dance opportunities that fall into my lap because it's just, it's my essence being made manifest here
Jenna Brown: I love that.
Paige Otis: Yeah
Jenna Brown: That's so fun, and I feel like the one thing that's coming through when you're saying this is really this is so feminine in nature to me to put
yourself in a place where you know... you're really just soaking in the energy. And honestly, you can't really go into it with huge expectation because what could you be like, "I'm, I'm expecting to have three phone calls that will be opportunities for me."
So to me it feels very feminine and fun,
and then also, which automatically opens you up just energetically speaking, and then you're like, "Cool, I know I'm gonna be, like, in this energy," whatever this energy is that they're using [00:24:00] while they're there. And then it's just so cool because it's all of these magical opportunities that are just being put into your lap based off of you being there or borrowing the energy. It's such a vibe. Also, I don't know why, but I never thought about the fact... I probably know my astrocartography for five years, and I've never thought about the fact of people I'm hiring also ha- I don't know why that never clicked for me. But yeah, of course, 'cause one of my mentors is in Australia.
One of my mentors is in Canada, but she's on that feminine energy line for me. I'm like, "This is so interesting."
Paige Otis: Yes. It's, it's hilarious. There's just so many iconic things that you can do with this, whether it's you hiring people or people hiring you, right? I live for a few of my long-term clients, where their line in Oregon is Saturn line, right? Which is long-term goals, mentorship deep focus building a legacy, and it's just so funny.
It's of course you would choose me. I'm the embodiment of Saturn for [00:25:00] you, and I'm guiding you on this process
Jenna Brown: Yo, this is, this is blowing my mind. Okay, I have a question. So I am a mom of three kids, and I'm married, and obviously we all have different lines and energy. So I remember back in the beginning when I found this out, I was like, "Cool, let me look at Brandon's," my husband's.
And he had really good energy in Ohio, which is where we're from, which is why he never wanted to leave, and I just could not fathom.
I'm like, "Why would you ever wanna live in this place? I hate it so much. I feel like absolute garbage while I live... while I'm here." Literally always. I would leave when I was a kid and I'd be like, "I can breathe."
And then I would come back and I'd be like, "Death is upon me." I could feel I still... I am more optimistic now, but like still, your girl with all of her inner work, I go to back to Ohio to visit family, I'm like, "Prepare for death." Like that's, that's the energy. That's literally the energy for me. But he doesn't feel that fully. Like he doesn't feel that same energy, so he, he [00:26:00] had a hard time leaving and I knew internally there's no way I can live on this.
I didn't know about lines then, but I was like, "There's no way I can live here.
I can't." And then I tried to move to Nashville, which is still the same line, and like also I was like, "Yep, can't live here. It's, it has found me again." I was like, "This energy, I can't live here." I also tried to live in North Carolina, still same ener- like it was the same energy.
I was like, "Can't do it." Anyways, so for him, energy, we, like energy's great for me building a business out here. For him, it's just kind of like neutral-ish energy. There's nothing really over here for him. But like how do we do this as couples and
As families, or even if like you're seeing your kids' lines and you're like, "Oh my God," like they're on their Pluto line.
Like how do I... How... What advice do you have to navigate, like whose chart do we go with, prefer? You know what I'm saying?
Paige Otis: Yeah, I totally get you, and I help so many families and couples with this exact thing. And what I always guide them towards is, as parents, your guys' energetic tone [00:27:00] and frequency is going to be the utmost authority while your kids are growing up, right? So I always prioritize the parents no matter what.
And I always, you know, encourage my clients to really understand that I truly don't believe there's any wrong line. I don't believe that we can be on a wrong astrocartography line. I think our soul chooses these lessons at different times in our life, and they're meant for us. There's nothing wrong with living on a Pluto line.
I wouldn't be who I am without the first eight years of my life in California, right? So if your children are on a line that traditionally gets a bad rap, I would invite people to really go deeper and to see, okay, what is my child choosing to learn while they're here? How can I help facilitate that, right?
Maybe their moody teenager stage is, is deeper than this. Maybe they're seeking deeper truths, and I'm here to help guide them through the underground of their psyche and, and back out again, [00:28:00] you know? But also, you know, children are so young, and these stories take time to unfold over a lifetime.
That's why no matter what age you are, your consciousness is constantly changing. So being on a Pluto line at six years old is going to be infinitely different than coming back when you're 36, right? So they're learning these lessons in very dosed ways, whereas we take a full gulp because we're at the consciousness of a grown adult.
Jenna Brown: Mm-hmm.
Paige Otis: best advice is to always prioritize the parents, to look at that kind of energetic frequency, and then to see how you can support your kids in the best possible way by learning their, their cosmic map.
Jenna Brown: Yeah, I love that so much. Yeah, you're so right. I would never take away all of those year- like, it's what makes me the
best coach, in my opinion, is like, because I lived through the depths of everything that it taught me for all of the 30 years of my life that I lived there, and it... i'm not choosing it again,
Paige Otis: [00:29:00] Right Yeah
Jenna Brown: It's kind of fun, too, to think of it as like seasons of life
as well. Maybe it's just because I've traveled a lot and I had chunks of life, lived in Australia for two years, and
Think of that way is just kind of fun, 'cause it's like my soul lit- literally was, has just been choosing to evolve even before I knew this.
Paige Otis: Mm-hmm
Jenna Brown: It was choosing to live in these places to evolve in specific ways. It also is just very Matrix-y and I love it.
Paige Otis: Absolutely. Yes, totally. And, you know, with what you were saying earlier about, you know, going to the different locations but on the same astrocartography line, you have no idea how many clients will come to me and they're like, "I've lived in these three places. I've bought homes in these three places, and I hate them all."
And I'm like, "Sugar, you are going along the same astrocartography line. We've gotta get you out of orb of that," right? And also, it's one of these things where it's like you can't escape yourself. No matter where you go, there you [00:30:00] are. So, you know, I had a time in my life where I was living in Bali, and I was on my Saturn line, and it was basically Dante's Inferno for me.
And I remember I lived there for three months, and I was like, "I have to get out. This is the most challenging thing ever." Well, I moved to Austin, Texas shortly after, which is not my Saturn line, however, this is an additional layer, there was a Saturn astrocartography line going through the area for the time that I had lived there.
So Saturn was like, yeah, Saturn was at my front door. And then I went to Oregon, and I was like, "I gotta get away from this," and guess what? Saturn was there. So, you know, as fun as this stuff is, it's also like you can't escape the lessons that you're meant to learn, so I wouldn't encourage you to try. Like, when Saturn's at your door, learn those lessons.
When you're living on a Pluto line, go even deeper, right? This isn't a tool to escape. It's a tool to go deeper into yourself, and astrocartography will [00:31:00] always, will always find you no matter where you are.
Jenna Brown: That's actually wild.
That's actually so crazy and so true.
Because then also even more so than that, maybe it's some, like a person that shows up in your life and there's... It's just, that's what I mean, it's so matrix-y. It's like you can't escape your soul's evolution even if you
try,
Paige Otis: Yeah. Which is so beautiful, I see with so many couples. I remember I had this session with a client, and I was looking at her astrocartography, and it was some random state in the middle of nowhere. I think it was... Where was it? I don't even know. It was that insignificant in my brain, I couldn't remember.
But I said, "Have you ever felt called here? Do you have any significant relationships from this place?" She was looking for love. I was like, "There's a lot of energy here." And she literally, her whole face was just in shock, and she goes, "That's where my boyfriend's from." He was literally the embodiment of that line, going through that region of the world.
And even now my boyfriend is from my [00:32:00] Mars line. can't even make it up. It's like these people will come to you. Yeah
Jenna Brown: Okay, so my husband is born on my Pluto's sign. We're, we're from the same high school.
So essentially what you're saying is I can't escape Pluto ever
Paige Otis: You're married to Pluto, baby.
Jenna Brown: Yeah. Super cute. I mean, he is a Sagittarius,
so I feel like there's that element of... But he's for sure one of my main teachers in life. And yeah, that's the thing about Pluto. It's like kind of like, uh, to me, like medicine does- like using plant medicines or things doesn't freak me out, 'cause I'm like, "I am medicine." Come to me one and all. So it's like for that it doesn't freak me out. It probably feels like home, because I'm just like, "Oh, yes, here is where we look at all of the shadow aspects of ourselves."
And sure, marriage has definitely been that for me in a million ways.
Paige Otis: And Pluto's, yeah, it's so much more than that too. You know, I've had clients, Pluto also rules subconscious influence. So I've had a [00:33:00] lot of people, yeah, be really drawn to their Pluto lines, and if it's like a Pluto MC line, I mean, they explode. They have this magnetism and this influence on people and what they're doing in their line of work.
It's not all Grim Reaper. Pluto is very powerful for stepping into your sovereignty and your truth and your magnetism and, and activating that, because you're a subconscious force in that place
Jenna Brown: Yeah, and I'm just a casually subconscious healing expert. So of course, like that makes me laugh 'cause I'm like, yeah, obviously, that was my
whole life was like I'm just walking around and seeing people's subconsciouses and then being like, "Don't you know that about yourself?" And they're like, "What? No." And I'm like, "Oh,
Paige Otis: Bummer. Yeah
Jenna Brown: That's so fascinating. Okay, question. I this-- I had this thought while you were talking. So I, and many of my clients, are investing in real estate, and I just had this thought of I was going to invest in a house in [00:34:00] Ohio and buy a house in Ohio, and then you said something about buying houses and I was like, wait, I don't know why I didn't even think of this. I was gonna buy this house in Ohio, and then one of my mentors was like, "That just doesn't feel fun for you to like..." Sure, it makes smart sense investing into a house in Ohio because we go there all the time and it's really cheap real estate and it's like a great tax write-off, but my like main value in life is like, does this feel fun?
And I was like, no, does not feel fun at all. I don't ever... I will go to see my family, but if my family didn't live in Ohio, I would never be going again.
There's no emotional connection there for me personally. It just was like, oh, that's a smart, logical decision. And then I was like, "Oh yeah, thank you for reminding me the way that I make decisions," and then it just tapped me into being like, cool, I think maybe my first real estate, like for my investment portfolio might be in California,
and that's really good feminine energy for me.
And then I was just like, wait, hold on, I [00:35:00] wasn't even thinking through the lines of astrocartography, but like riff on that if you have a riff around investment in real estate.
Because I also was like, well, I could just have places like around... I'm going to Italy this summer. I'm like,
well, this is great energy for me.
What if I have a place in Italy?
Thoughts on real estate investments because I'm not necessarily living there.
Paige Otis: Mm-hmm.
Jenna Brown: Do you know what I'm
Paige Otis: I have so many, and I have examples. So yeah, when we're talking about real estate and investment, we're really talking about the planetary frequency of Saturn, right? Saturn is here for longevity, for the long haul, and it really is like the solid foundation. For example, I had a client who had literally an investment property on her Saturn IC line, which is truly like the line of home.
Like you can't get more solid than a Saturn IC line. It had made her a lot of profit. It brought her a lot of joy. It had been passed [00:36:00] down in her family. However, there was constantly things going wrong with it. She was pouring in a lot of money. She was pouring in a lot of time. She would have to come back from her travels and pour in so much discipline, so much focus, so much hard work into this property.
Yes, it beared fruits, however, she could never not think about it. It was always at her front door asking her to take a lot of responsibility for what it required. Yes, Saturn.
Jenna Brown: Take responsibility.
Paige Otis: So you know, that's where it comes back to everybody's individual chart. If you have a really supported Saturn, a Saturn IC line might be the best place for a real estate property for you.
For me, my Saturn is not the most supported. Having a real estate property on my Saturn line would be choosing chaos and volatility every single day, right? You also wanna infuse like [00:37:00] Venus into that mix, the ruler of money, right? Like the feminine magnetic force that governs currency, right? Like the feminine energetics of, of water and income and money in that way.
And so there's so many layers that you can dive into when it comes to real estate property, but also everywhere that you go in the world, you have a different chart. So you would wanna tap into that. If you were looking for a real estate property, you would want Saturn, you know, or Venus in the fourth house, making that investment a really smart decision, or Saturn in the second house of resources and personal income, right?
You wouldn't want Saturn in the seventh house because you're probably gonna be dealing with people that are renting that are giving you a lot of grief. So Saturn makes an appearance in many different areas of your life, and you would wanna get that correct energetic [00:38:00] signature before you're investing so much money into something
Jenna Brown: This is life-changing. All the people are gonna hire you now just for that. Like, all
Paige Otis: I am so excited.
Jenna Brown: girls trying inv- real estate investments right now, and I feel like we're all like, "Yo, we're not trying to have headaches."
But you're right, that one, the energy of when you're investing in real estate, you're doing it with this long-term
energy in mind.
Two things, you're getting tax write-offs, and it's the best tax write-off strategy, but also you're doing it so that you have long-term generational wealth, right? It's it's also using a masculine part of you that's "This is long term that I'm looking
to do this for." And the last thing that we
If this isn't my main stream of income, and it's also not the main stream of things I wanna be thinking about. So the last thing I'm wanting is for it to be this freaking chaos money pit.
Paige Otis: Mm-hmm.
Jenna Brown: This is so good.
Paige Otis: Yeah, like something that would be super supportive is you know, if you're [00:39:00] somebody that's ruled by Jupiter, say you're a Sagittarius sun or a Sagittarius moon, looking to your Jupiter IC lines for investment properties, right? That's gonna bring you the most monetary abundance.
It's gonna be a place where you feel very connected to the land, very connected to the culture, the people around you, but it's also gonna bring in a lot of opportunities. Again, though, that astrocartography line is lucky for you because of your personal energetics. And also asking yourself, your clients asking yourself, what do I want this property to serve?
Because I have a client who n- didn't necessarily want to live there but wanted to open a retreat center, okay? She wanted to do this potentially, we were looking at different locations around the world, but she was a facilitator of plant medicine. I had asked her what her most potent places were, and one of them was Costa Rica.
Well, she had her Neptune IC line running through Costa Rica. Neptune rules plant [00:40:00] medicine, and IC is literally retreat space. It's a place where you go to heal.
Jenna Brown: Of course.
Obsessed
Paige Otis: she made that leap, and she invested in that way because it embodied the frequency, which is why you just have to get so clear on what is this property, what do I want it to do for me, and then also what are my personal energetics, what are the best lines for me?
'Cause it's not gonna be the same for everybody.
Jenna Brown: And ChatGPT can't do that, bitches.
Paige Otis: Can't do that, bitches.
Jenna Brown: Okay, so we're all booking
sessions. I love that for us.
Paige Otis: Yes
Jenna Brown: That feels huge for me personally, 'cause I'm like, oh, I can see how, like next level for me of diving into that would be around this.
Paige Otis: mm-hmm.
Jenna Brown: And so many people listening are gonna be, like, booking sessions probably for just that 'cause we're like, "Hi, I don't wanna have a money pit and I don't wanna have
fucking horrible tenants, so where's the best place for me to start
investing?" Love that.
Oh, I have another question. Obviously, [00:41:00] I mean, Venus is like love, right? So maybe the answer is simple and it's Venus, but like, for relationships when people are like, "I'm going away with my partner", are they going to Venus signs? What are we doing?
Paige Otis: Yes and no. But that's, yeah, yes and no. If you have a supported Venus sign, absolutely. Okay? But also, if you don't, I'm sending you somewhere else, and you're gonna thank me. I've had people go to Venus signs that have a very challenging Venus. That doesn't mean you can't go. That doesn't mean love's never gonna find you.
It literally is oh, the lessons are different there, you know? They've gone there, and they've experienced a lot of heartbreak or really traumatic instances with lovers and things like this. So Venus is obviously, you know, the one that we really look towards. But what I'm looking for when it comes to relationship is what is on your descendent?
What is in your seventh house of your astrology chart? Okay? So what ... Let's say Sagittarius rules your seventh house of relationship. I'm looking at your Jupiter descendent lines because [00:42:00] Jupiter is the planet that rules your seventh house, and your seventh house embodies who you're going to be in union with in this life, right?
How you're gonna find love, what the frequency of that person really embodies. So we're looking at descendent lines, which is DC when we're looking on a map. These govern your relationships, and typically we're looking at Venus descendent lines. We can be looking at Jupiter descendent lines. But also something that we haven't spoken about, which is so yummy, which hasn't really made its way to mainstream, is we have these main astrocartography lines, and those will always be the main energetic influence.
However, there are what is called parans, and these are where these two astrocartography lines somewhere around the world, they cross. And when they cross, they make another line.
Jenna Brown: Hmm.
Paige Otis: Okay. And these lines in terms of love have been so beautiful. In particular, like a [00:43:00] Venus and a Jupiter paran or a Moon and Venus paran, a Venus and North Node paran.
I had a client who came to me, and she was in a relationship at the time. And what I saw from her astrology chart was this relationship was gonna be shifting in some way, and she had expressed that to me. And she was going on a trip to Sicily, okay? And this was her Pluto line. She was going there to write a book, her second book, and it was gorgeous 'cause it's about her ancestry.
Chef's kiss. But what was fascinating is when I tapped into Sicily for her, she had some of the best parans for love, finding your soulmate, connecting with that person. She literally went there to write a book, and she met an individual who she is deeply in love with. She has relocated her entire life from America to Sicily, and they're madly in love right now.
And she [00:44:00] met him on her Venus parans
Jenna Brown: Wow
Paige Otis: But she was on a Pluto line. So what you're looking at it at first instance, it wouldn't really make sense. But when you pull up the paran, which is something that a lot of free softwares, ChatGPT cannot do, you see these other energetic influences. And she literally, they went on a date on one of them, and then he lives, he has a farm on the other one.
And like
Jenna Brown: I know who this is. Maybe. Is she kind of famous? Like
Paige Otis: I can't disclose. She's incredible. Her name is Deanna.
Jenna Brown: Oh, okay. No, I don't
Paige Otis: Different?
Jenna Brown: I was like, I'm like, wait, is it... 'Cause I felt like I was like, I feel like I've heard this story, but no, I don't know her. But
Paige Otis: okay. But yeah, so, you know, we're always looking at love lines, descendant lines, but also those perans and, and your personal transits that you're going through right now. You could travel nowhere but be going through a lot of beautiful love transits [00:45:00] and just staying exactly where you are, but opening your heart is gonna bring you that as well
Jenna Brown: I love this. I feel like this is so good. I'm so excited. So everyone where can they come and find you on Instagram?
And then we already told everybody in the show notes we have a link there for you to do a session with you, but tell us where they can find you on
socials
Paige Otis: Find me on Instagram, @paigeotis. Please send me a message. I would love to connect with anybody from Jenna's community, just sharing what came up for you in listening to this, how you would love to use astrocartography, and I'm just so excited to be of service and to help you all in so many beautiful ways
Jenna Brown: Thank you so much for being here. This has been so good. I'm so excited for everyone to know you and to be served by you
Paige Otis: Yeah. Thank you for inviting me. I've had the best time. My cheeks literally ache.
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